Dixie Dynamo:
Artist Spotlight Exclusive Interview with
Steve Morse, Part II
Last week the Southern-fried fusion/rock/classical guitar monster filled us
in on his early days on the road and brushes with other giants. This week he
waxes eloquent about modern touring with Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, and the Steve
Morse band plus the archeology of gear evolution in his home studio.
Q:
So what was it like when you stepped into Ritchie Blackmore's slot in Deep
Purple? Had you been a Deep Purple fan when you were younger?
SM: Sure. I was a fan and didn't really know what any of
them looked like. [general laughter]. Except Blackmore; the Dregs had played
with Rainbow once. But I couldn't tell you what the rest of them looked like. I
just wasn't a guy that would buy an album and sit there and stare at the cover.
Being at somebody's house I would listen to it and it would make a big
impression, even if I never listened to it again. I've bought very few albums in
my whole life, actually. I prefer seeing people live. And Deep Purple never came
to the States at a time that I could see them, ever. I got to see Hendrix a few
times, and Cream, the Who . . . I saw the Who in a tiny little club.
Those things made big impressions with me. But Deep Purple I just heard on
recordings. So I had no idea. I knew they were good and I'd liked the organ and
guitar parts especially. But I guess the main thing is I didn't know how it was
going to work out these days. Were they going to be has-beens that are living
off a name, or are they going to be good? And I couldn't tell you because I'd
never even heard them live.
Q: But they turned out to be good.
SM: Really good!
Q: Your style's a lot more, shall we say, technically
informed than Blackmore's style. How did the band react to you when you guys
first got together?
SM: I think they were expecting that because, having asked
me to play, they'd heard the Dregs stuff. And I know Roger [Glover, DP bassist]
had heard Steve Morse Band play live in Orlando. I was impressed that they were
even considering something that weird. It was very intriguing to me. I could
obviously name some people that would be the more obvious choice to continue
from where they had been. So they basically left it up to me. And my philosophy
is to approach it like a fan would--as if I were covering the song in a cover
band--play the song the best way you can. If there's more than one part, pick
the portion that works best with the sound you hear. And when it comes to the
solo, if it's a famous, classic solo, definitely play part of it--some of those
phrases that people remember--and then do your own thing as well.
Q: It seems like you totally energized the band when you
joined, gave them a whole new life. And I think you've really accomplished what
you set out to do. When I saw you with Deep Purple you had all the key parts to
all the solos to make them recognizable.
SM: That's sort of a little dance I'm trying to do between
changing it too much and . . . I get a lot of solos in the band. So there's a
couple of riffs in "Smoke on the Water" that I have to play and a lot of riffs
in the "Highway Star" solo that I have to play. But pretty much the other stuff
is more wide open. It's really nice for me. It's an easy gig because I came in
as a fan. I was like, "Hey, how come you guys don't do this?" and "Hey, what
about 'Woman from Tokyo,' how come we aren't doing that middle part. How come we
aren't doing that? C'mon guys I want to hear it!" [general laughter]
Q: You made them get more faithful to their own music?
SM: I actually did win a few battles. But it took a while.
Q: It's been over a decade now since the Dregs did a studio
album. Do you have any plans for one of those again?
SM:
I don't know. The way the recording business is now, there's certainly no
economic reason, or even economic possibility to do an independent release when
you have a band that has to be flown thousands of miles just to get together to
rehearse or write. Unless you just happen to have something you've previously
worked on available, it's hard to make it economically feasible.
I expected more from the Internet in terms of music being promoted, and I
expected more from satellite radio as far as music being promoted. And I've been
bitterly disappointed with video music channels. So I probably shouldn't answer
that question, I've got nothing but negatives to say. [laughs] Having said all
that, I think we'll still end up doing albums in the future . . . for the fans
if nothing else.
Q: But if people want to get your recordings, how can they
get them? They can get them on your website can't they?
SM: Yeah, some of them. It's like a double whammy. The old
record companies have the licenses. And they're reluctant or make it prohibitive
to reproduce them legally. So basically I can't bootleg my own stuff. I can't
make copies of it and sell it. It's really weird.
Q: How long does that last?
SM: It's indefinite. They own the masters.
Q: So what about a Dregs tour. Any coming up?
SM: Yeah, in about a week. We're playing six gigs in
California. We could have done more, but at the time we were setting it up I was
supposed to be doing something with Deep Purple. And of course that got changed.
Ian's off doing something in February. Deep Purple schedules are always subject
to change, as a result I can hardly book anything with the Dregs. But we're
doing Steve Morse Band and the Dregs, double shows.
Q: That's got to be a workout every night.
SM: You'd better believe it! [general laughter] I'm
expecting to go in the hospital right after this for tendon surgery or
something. [laughs]
Q: I saw you guys in 1980 or so in Denver. It was a
phenomenal show! By the end of the show the entire audience was standing on
their chairs screaming. The house lights were full on and you guys were just
cranking! I remember at one point in that show Andy West broke a bottle over his
head.
SM: Oh yeah. [laughs]
Q: Did he have some Hollywood bottles that he used?
SM: Yeah, that was just something that we thought was too
funny.
Q: That was really funny.
SM: We put a Heineken sticker on a green bottle, and he
pretended to drink it. And he'd switch it with a real beer. And then when we
started "Punk Sandwich" . . . Punk music is all about this rage. Well, we had
all this rage about the industry not having any room for anything but punk. So
we'd play "Punk Sandwich" and Andy smashed a bottle over his head while he was
trying to introduce it. [general laughter]
Q: You met Andy in tenth grade. Tell us about your
friendship with him. He must be quite a guy.
SM: Yeah, he is. He's an amazing guy. Really super
intelligent and a fantastic friend. His personality helped the Dregs a lot
because he was always wanting to try new and different things. For instance the
first Dregs gig we ever did was Andy and I plus the drummer we had, named
Gilbert, that we'd rehearsed with a little bit. But it was mostly guitar and
bass. And we did this one piece of electronic music that we'd recorded. You
know, where you splice tape and run songs backwards and create sounds with
anything you can. It was before we had any
Moog synthesizers in that town. It scared some people off.
When we were introducing one of the tunes I went in back, behind the
amplifiers. We had one tape recorder on one side of the stage and one on the
other side of the stage in the back with a piece of tape running from one tape
recorder to the other. And then I fed the output of the second tape recorder
back into the first tape recorder in a feedback loop. There was a really long
rap at the start and as Andy was talking the tape would eventually go from one
to the other and you would start hearing him saying what he was saying twenty
seconds ago. And it kept adding on and adding on. It actually freaked people
out. [general laughter] It was a spontaneous eruption of applause in this
concert theater. And then we went into another tune. I played keyboard during
the concert. It was really experimental. That was a first Dregs gig and then we
got more. To me the five-piece Dregs was almost commercial compared to that.
Q: That was back in '71 or so?
SM: '70, '71, yeah.
Q: What about equipment? I know the first time I talked with
you, you were buying some of the synchronizers for your Alesis recording.
SM: [chuckles] Oh yeah.
Q: Trying to keep all the ADATs running. You have a whole
studio now, I'm sure.
SM: Yeah, it's weird to look at the layers of sedimentary
deposits of equipment to see how many years I've been doing it. We have the old
tape recorders, the newer tape recorders, the digital tape recorders, the early
software, and the more intense, newer software.
Q: Are you using ProTools?
SM: No. Cubase. I'm trying as hard as I can to be the guy
that uses a PC.
Q: And it's working for you?
SM: Yeah.
Q: What about outboard equipment in your home studio?
SM: Just the same old stuff. Urei limiters and a Urei
compressor, and a couple of Lexicon delays, an Eventide Harmonizer--which I use
a lot more for chorus or delay than harmonizing. Just the typical old-school
stuff.
Q: So what are you doing in your studio right now?
SM:
I always record ideas and things. But there's a 16-year-old girl who's the
daughter of one of my friends. She'd been over to England and was getting a lot
of attention for her singing. My friend said, "Would you work with her, and give
her some advice about her career?" When I heard her sing I said, "Well, yeah. My
first advice would be to come over here and let's record something." I'm getting
her to just sing stuff that's more in my style. Kind of more beautiful music,
like some of the ballads I do with the Dregs. She's doing stuff like that as
opposed to real commercial stuff. At some point somebody's going to grab her and
take her away and she's going to be all commercial. And then it'll be too late.
Q: What's her name?
SM: Her name is Sarah Spencer. She sings like an angel.
Q: Are you doing instrumentation behind her?
SM: Yeah. I'm playing and we're sort of writing stuff
together.
Q: That sounds like a lot of fun. Are you doing drums and
everything?
SM: Just fake drums. I'll have to get the band to do
something on it, Van [Romaine, drummer] and Dave [LaRue, bass]. That's the way I
did the Major Impacts album and High Tension Wires was to do
the album first and then give it to the guys. That works for a solo album, but
when I do a trio album, I like to have everybody's input all along the way.
Q: Let's talk about developing your guitar with Ernie Ball.
SM: We're having a new one come out. It's a twentieth
anniversary. [laughs] It's still in prototype development. It's a purple
sunburst and it's tentatively called the Y2D. Meaning two decades. It's a little
thinner neck than some of the ones in the last 18 years or so. Because my neck
has progressively gotten thinner from all the refret jobs. [laughs]
My own part about the guitar is that I do want to be able to just pick one
off the shelf and play a gig with it. And it has one less pickup. However, it
also has a beautiful flamed maple top and a clear pickguard so you can see the
finish all the way up to the pickups. You know how a lot of guitars have these
really cool-looking tops and no pickguard because they're archtop or something?
This one has a nice big, thick, clear acrylic pickguard so it gives me the same
platform and string height and everything as I'm used to.
It sounds really good. It sounds a little bit fatter than the regular,
four-pickup guitar.
Q: Why did you lose the pickup?
SM: It was one that I wasn't using so much. And I would
often find the switch for it in the middle position, which meant that it was
being added to the sound. It basically was easy to get a weird sound out of it.
They did it exactly the way I have my switches set up, which is not necessarily
the easiest or most logical way. So I found a lot of people were trying it out
with that switch in a position that makes a not-great sound. It's something I
use for pretty obscure rhythm parts, anyway. So I could go a whole gig with the
Dregs or Deep Purple without using that pickup. I basically used it for
recording. So I thought, let's leave that one out and that way everything you
choose will be an obvious good sound.
It's well balanced. It still sits perfectly on your knee. You can let go of
it and it stays right where you leave it. It stays perfectly in tune. The
MusicMan headstock has a lot to do with that, with the short string pull and
it's very straight from the nut without string trees or anything to cause extra
friction. It's also short overall because of the short headstock. So it's easy
to carry and easy to put in overhead compartments on planes. And if you're going
to carry a guitar everywhere, like I do, that's important.
Q: What scale is your guitar?
SM: 25-1/2 inches. It only goes up to the 22nd fret because
the neck position pickup needs to be in the exact spot that it is. If it were
any closer to the bridge it wouldn't sound the same. And I really like that
drastic contrast between the biting bridge pickup sound versus the real warm
vocal sound of the neck pickup.
Q: You play pretty much exclusively onstage with your
signature guitar, is that right?
SM: Sure. They are DiMarzio pickups that I worked with
DiMarzio on before this guitar was made by Ernie Ball. So they're literally
called Steve Morse pickups. That was one of the reasons I went with Ernie Ball
in the first place: they were the first guitar company I talked to that was
willing to use whatever parts I specified. I said, "Well, of course. That sounds
a lot more logical."
Q: If that guitar will stay in tune even through your
aggressive playing, that's a statement.
SM: It is. It is important. The stop piece is also situated
so it's not a drastically huge bend over the bridge pieces. One reason for that
is it reduces the amount of friction so you don't have uneven tension from one
side of the bridge to the other, which will result in the string eventually
pulling out that tension to equalize it, resulting in a different tuning. Very
subtle, but it does add up.
Q: What strings do you use?
SM: Ernie Ball RPS. They're double wrapped, with a little
thin wire that goes around the whole thing in addition to the regular wire at
the ball end. That also reduces any slippage on that end. 10-13-16-26-32 and 42.
And with that combination I don't tune down. If I tune down I have to use bigger
low strings.
Q: What amps are you playing through?
SM: A bunch of possibilities right now. I've got an
experimental amp called an O'Brien that's handmade. That's cool because it
smoothly goes between clean and distorted using a pedal. I'm experimenting with
that. And I use a 2555 Marshall head, Peavey cabinets, and a Peavey 5150 head
with a Peavey cabinet with the Dregs. With Deep Purple I've been using a
Marshall 2000 Series, three-channel with 1960 vintage cabinets. I also use the
5150 with Deep Purple. With them, our sound man likes the Marshall better but
the 5150s are working more often. Stuff just gets slammed around in these semi
trucks and I guess the Marshalls get vibrated to death. For whatever reason the
5150s, like 'em or not, they work.
Q: You heard Joe Satriani's new amp. That sounds real good
to me.
SM: Oh, yeah. Plus, he can make anything sound good.
Q: So can you.
SM:
Oh, there's a couple of other things about amps. There's a Steve Vai
Legacy amp that I have that I used on the Living Loud record. Living Loud is a
group with an Australian singer named Jimmy Barnes and two of the guys that were
in Ozzy Osbourne's early band--Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley, who wrote a lot of
those hits we're familiar with, like "Crazy Train," and "I Don't Know," the
Randy Rhoads-era stuff. So we did the Randy Rhoads-type tunes that they wrote.
And we did half new and half old stuff. That's another new album that's just
come out. It's on some independent label out of Australia [Now available from
EMI]. That one's a really good album, though. It's good from beginning to end.
It was one of those lucky things.
I also have a Carvin vintage. It's like a 30-watt. A little tweed-looking
amp. It comes with a 4x10 open-back cabinet. And for some reason that sounds
really good through that cabinet. Like a vintage amp, it doesn't have much in
the way of controls and the controls don't do a whole lot in the midrange. But
it's voiced very well for any of my guitars. It just kind of screams and is
really friendly to play. It's not incredibly loud. That would be a neat club amp
for somebody.
Q: You were at one time very well known for practicing every
spare minute. How much time do you spend practicing these days?
SM: It usually gets put off till the last thing, but I do
it. No matter how tired I am I do spend probably an hour-and-a-half to two hours
practicing. And before a gig I have to spend more time to grind things into
shape. Dave LaRue lives in my town here. So he comes over and we work together.
Usually the two weeks before a gig we'll spend a couple of hours playing almost
every day and then do individual practice on top of that. So maybe it adds four
or five hours on an intense day.
Q: Do you just play the material that you're going to be
playing on the gig? Or do you have exercises too?
SM: Yeah, the individual practice is more or less technical,
just building up endurance and running different patterns and scales. Usually if
I see a problem, if there's something I can't play--I'm hanging up for some
reason--then I'll analyze the movement that's causing me grief and make up a
musical exercise that has that movement in it repetitively. Usually it's just
one thing that hangs you up. Everybody can sit there and hold a pick and go
brdrdrdrdrdrdrdrd on one string. And maybe they can do it moving fingers
one and three back and forth. And maybe they can do things with one, two, and
three. But at some point you find something--usually it's skipping from one
string to another--you find the point where it starts to get sloppy. And where
it starts to get sloppy, that's what you work on.
Q: Then your weaknesses eventually become your strengths.
SM: Or at least equal to your other strengths.
Q: A lot of young players try to learn all the solos by
their heroes. Were there any for you like that?
SM: A lot, yeah. Starting with George Harrison, then Jimmy
Page and Jeff Beck, Clapton, Hendrix, John McLaughlin, Steve Howe, I could go on
and on, Ted Nugent. Those are all guys I would transcribe and learn their solos
because I just loved them. And then at some point when you're working and doing
your own stuff I guess you sort of don't think about that anymore. You just
think about the next thing you're going to write.
Q: But all that stuff you learned helped build your
vocabulary.
SM: Of course, definitely. In fact my son's starting to play
guitar now. He listens to Motley Crue. And Motley Crue does a cover of "Smokin'
in the Boy's Room," by Brownsville Station, which was the original thing I heard
when I was his age. That's great!
Q: How old is your son?
SM: He's 13. His birthday's coming up in a few weeks so I'm
about to order a
Roland Microcube amp from you guys. Speaking of that, I need one of those
Memory Man Deluxe, Electro-Harmonix analog delays. It's like a foot-pedal
and it's got modulation on it. I need it to replace my DigiDelays that no one
can fix. Because I like DigiDelays that have modulation. And Lexicon, who got me
this stuff when I was working long hours with them at trade shows, said, "We'll
give you these delays and we'll give you lifetime service." Well they don't even
make parts for them anymore. [laughs]
Q: Thanks so much for taking time to talk with us.
SM: You're welcome.
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